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took the meeting to dig for dirt on hillary clinton point to collusion between the campaign and russia? partnering with putin. what to do about all of that russian hacking evidence in the u.s. election. well, president trump says he and vladimir putin thought that a joint cyber security unit was a good idea. then he backed down. the swift criticism unsparing. and ivanka versus chelsea. the president's daughter slammed for sitting in her dads seat at the g20 summit. why the president is now dragging chelsea clinton into this. we start with a frequently changing story from donald trump jr., and the trump 2016 campaign as a whole about their contacts with the russians. two "new york times" stories over the weekend have put the focus on donald trump's oldest son. trump jr. met with the russian lawyer june 9th of last year. and not just any lawyer. one with ties to the kremlin. with him, paul manafort, jared kushner. but trump jr.'s explanation of
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what happened in that meeting has shifted over time. now, as of march, the president's son denied ever meeting with any russians as a representative of the campaign. then after that first-time story came out on saturday, trump jr. said, well, he did meet with a russian lawyer, but it was, twoet, primarily about adoptions, no mention of anything else. the russians froze adoptions to the u.s. after the u.s. issued sanctions in 2012 regarding human rights violations. then trump jr. changed his story again after the second story by "the times." now he says he met with the lawyer after she claimed to have damaging information about hillary clinton. so let's start with our reporters and analysts. peter alexander is at the white house. david nakamura, a reporter with "the "washington post."" an anchor with yahoo! news. michael crowley, senior foreign affairs correspondent with politico. and paul butler, a professor at georgetown school of law and at
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msnbc legal analyst, as well as the author of the forthcoming book, "choke hold" about police tactics and minority rights. peter, giver us the latest. what are the white house and donald trump jr. saying about this? >> reporter: we'll be hearing from the white house. sara huckabee sanders expected to step inside the podium an hour from now. it will be off-camera so only audio will be provided. and that's where we will get sort of the official line as it were from the white house. but we are now hearing from donald trump jr. with a series of tweets, sort of trying to defend himself. he's already the fierce defender of his father, and now he wrote, obviously, i'm the first person on a campaign to ever take a meeting to hear info about an opponent. went nowhere, but had to listen. he adds, and this is important. he writes, "no inconsistency in statements," is his argument. "meeting ended up primarily being about adoptions in response to further questions. i simply provided more detail."
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so why would such a meeting have occurred back in june of 2016 right in the heart of the campaign season? today kellyanne conway said in, effect, this was standard operating procedure. she said it was a small operation at the campaign at the time. and in effect, she argued it wouldn't be unusual for principals to be in attendance. she said the no meaningful information was passed on, there was no followup after that meeting. chris? >> and, of course, this story comes after repeated denials from the white house saying no one in the campaign had the contacts with the russians. take a listen. >> did any adviser or anybody in the trump campaign have any contact with the russians who were trying to meddle in the election? >> of course not. and i think -- i think to suggest that is to give credence to some of these bizarre rumors that have swirled around the candidacy. >> did anyone involved in the
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trump campaign have any contact with russians trying to meddle with the election? >> absolutely not. and i discussed that with the president-elect just last night. those conversations never happened. i hear people saying it like it's a fact on television. that is just not only inaccurate and false, but it's dangerous. >> david, inaccurate, false, dangerous. now we have the son of the president of the united states saying, oh, yeah, i did that. how big a problem could this be? >> i mean, the meeting in and of itself and the details that are coming out are bad enough. but then the changing stories by the president's son just within the space of less than 24 hours makes it look like they're trying to hide something. this continues to be a problem. we know that on the other meetings that have been reported by campaign surrogates, including jeff sessions, mike flynn, not all have been disclosed and even jared kushner ahead of time and only in retrospect are they saying, okay, this happened, but it didn't necessarily mean anything. this came right after the president, of course, tried to
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go to the g20, meet with president putin of russia, and sort of, you know -- he and his surrogates are saying, look, we put this right on the table. we pressed the russian president on this and we're trying to move forward. that was their attempt to clean this up and get past that. this makes it all the much worse. >> and, paul, i mean, there's one thing about what looks bad politically. there is another question about what this might mean legally. as you hear the changing stories and you hear even the affirmation about what happened, what does it say to you legally? >> well, you know, prosecutors are suspicious when people lie, when they try to cover up. so we heard first from trump jr. that this meeting was about adoptions. now we know it wasn't about adoptions. it was actually about trying to get dirt on hillary clinton from the russians. that's collusion. now, collusion itself is not a crime. but if we learn that they knew that the russians were hacking and they supported that, then we get into criminal territory. what i keep thinking is, if this
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is what very able reporters have found, and they're just working with the power of persuasion, how much more will special counsel muller uncover in his criminal investigation when he has the power to subpoena people? >> yeah, one of the amazing things about this story, it came from inside the white house. >> yeah, it came from inside the white house, so it makes it that much more difficult to label it as fake news, chris. and, you know, it speaks to the credibility issue that david raised within this administration. we really had a situation where it was he said versus he said with regard to the president's meeting with vladimir putin. now, i wouldn't throw vladimir putin's -- his press secretary or his foreign minister -- i wouldn't trust them as far as i could throw them. but having the history there, where the president and his team have said certain things that have proven to be false, it becomes a big question of whether or not the president pressed him about certain issues about meddling in the u.s.
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election, or whether the president just took putin's word for it with regards to this latest development. best case scenario, you could say this administration was very naive in thinking they could be duped. and we're talking about the highest level ofs of participants and people surrounding this president, his campaign chairman being duped into having a meeting with somebody about scoop and dirt on hillary clinton, only to obviously have that meeting be really about the magnitski act. >> michael, you're a senior foreign affairs correspondent. tell us about the russian connection. who are these people? how significant is it, just by virtue of who was involved? >> well, what you have is a lawyer who has ties to the kremlin. she is not actually a russian official. so when -- so i don't think this directly contradicts any trump campaign statements that they didn't meet with russian officials who were trying to meddle in the election.
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however, there is a very important point. the magnitski act is hugely important to the kremlin. kind of an obsession of vladimir putin. and i would say that after the sanctions that the u.s. has imposed, might be the top agenda item for the kremlin. they lobby -- russia has lobbied intensely on capitol hill to try to get this act repealed. there is not time to go into all of the details. but it basically sanctions a number of russian officials over basically an alleged murder. this woman was a lawyer who was fighting extremely hard to get the magnitski act repealed. she has ties to the kremlin. she is essentially assisting the kremlin. and when donald trump jr. says this was a conversation about adoptions, vladimir putin cut off adoptions in retaliation for the act. so if you're having a conversation about adoptions you're having a conversation about the magnitsky act.
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so this was a high priority for vladimir putin and the kremlin. this was not obscure stuff. and the question is, was there some -- was this part of some potential quid pro quo, where the trump campaign was debating what u.s. policy would be toward the act after the election. i think that's a hugely important question right now. >> and chris, if i could interject quickly, the magnitski act in this story raised red flags among many reporters in questioning whether the act came up at all during the president's meeting with vladimir putin. they talked about and listed issues they did talk about. they didn't list issues they didn't talk about. and as michael says, this is a very pressing one for vladimir putin. among the people affected are people who are very closely tied to the president himself. >> so now you have these questions that michael laid out very clearly. apparently, the senate intelligence committee has those same questions. let me go now to kasie hunt, on the hill for us. i understand that some folks on the hill want to hear from the
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principle here, meaning donald trump jr.? >> that's right, chris. we do know that the senate intelligence committee wants to at some point speak with donald trump jr. clearly, they are obviously reading the same news reports as the rest of us. we also learned via income tnbc senate producer mike thorp that the senate committee plans to begin interviews next week of trump associates. we don't know exactly who is on that list or at least at the beginning of that list. but this indicates that they are moving into the next phase of this investigation, which, of course, to this point has been gathering documents, materials, kind of making a long list of all of the people that they wanted to talk to. and this, of course, represents the next phase of that. the goal, of course, being to wrap-up work by the end of the year. so a pretty critical kind of flag there coming from the senate intelligence committee today. >> so chief of staff reince priebus, one of the people who
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went out after the story, went out and said, no, no, no, no. listen to what he said on fox news sunday. >> it was a very short meeting. it was a meeting apparently about russian adoption. and after about 20 minutes, the meeting ended. and that was the end of it. this is a developing story. i don't know much about it, other than it seems to be on the end of the trump individuals a big nothing burger, but may spin out of control for the dnc and the democrats. >> so david, it does raise the question, and this isn't the only contradictory statement that we have heard over the course of the -- even the last 24 or 48 hours. who in this white house do you believe? >> i mean, the hard thing to understand is that you think this administration would have a -- sort of a coherent message after all these months. they themselves complained this is front and center day after day, week after week, it's the wrong thing to talk about. you would think they themselves would sort of have a consistent talking point or message about
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this. but they don't seem to have that very clear. and each time one of these revelations comes up it, it dominates the headlines. and it's another week where donald trump, whatever message he had for this week, whether it's health care or something else, he's going to france later this week, we're just days after this big international summit, not talking about any deliverables the white house may have been want to go tout. and this is, again, a situation where the president and his own advisers and his own son are contradicting themselves. >> yeah, and donald trump jr. seemingly following the footsteps of his dad. because these tweets that he's putting out, again, he doesn't seem to have any understanding of what he's actually saying. the contradictions that are within them, and the problems he could be causing for himself. but even beyond that, michael, we haven't even talked about the fact this now makes three undisclosed meetings jared kushner had with the russians. you had the russian ambassador, the bank ceo, and now this lawyer with ties to the kremlin. can you even keep a security clearance when you have this many forgotten meetings with
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russians? >> that's a good question. i don't know the specific answer, but i would say that that is one reason why these questions are not going away. you know, the trump campaign, people around trump, keep saying there is nothing there. but the question is, why do we keep finding that there are these contacts or these interesting data points that you had an opportunity to tell people about, and you didn't? so the cliche, of course, is it's the coverup, not the crime. we don't know whether there was a crime. but it certainly looks like there have been, at a minimum, very faulty memories. and in some cases, worse. efforts to conceal the truth. and one last thing, very quickly. again, you heard reince priebus say this was a conversation about russian adoptions. when you hear trump say that, what that means it was a conversation about the magnitsky act. that is a huge priority for vladimir putin and the kremlin. they are lobbying about it in russia. there is a policy issue, not a kind of obscure child care issue, as it were, that the
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trump people would have you believe. >> so i'm going to go back to you, then, on this question. when you look at this sort of in the total, and you hear what is coming out of this white house, which is that, you know, we're making too much of this, where does this go next? where does it go next from a journalistic standpoint, and then paul i'll come to you and ask you where it goes from a legal standpoint. >> well, this goes back to the president's comment, saying that he doesn't necessarily need legal briefing, and he doesn't need a historic briefing. that he follows the news, and he is smart enough when he goes into these meetings with people like vladimir putin. because, according to reince priebus and even donald trump jr., this very well may have been a nothing burger, as michael said. it's just about adoption. why not just take that off the table if we want to become friends with russia again and try to cooperate with them? what they don't realize, this is a very high priority for vladimir putin. it's a personal insult in his opinion. although the kremlin put out a
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statement today saying they didn't know who this lawyer was, and it's really hard for them to keep track of every single lawyer's meeting inside and outside of russia. evidence shows quite the contrary. that this attorney had full russian backing, and the backing of russian resources, including the media, when she would travel throughout europe and even the u.s., though she was banned from entering the u.s. for a while. when she was arguing against the magnitsky act. so we have a situation where we may well have a white house this is a big issue, and the kremlin obviously thinks otherwise. >> and it didn't take long for the intel committee to jump on this. susan collins said, look, we have some questions here. but where does this go from here? >> so donald trump has to go before the senate intelligence committee. >> donald trump jr.? >> jr. and tell the truth. and sometimes when associates of donald trump senior tell the truth, that exposes them to criminal liability. you know, if i were representing trump jr., i would strongly
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think about encouraging him to take the fifth. because if he goes in and isn't fully forthcoming about every single thing that happened in this meeting, who caught it, what the subject was -- >> the political implications of that, as you know, paul, would be huge. >> that's always an issue for politicians when they have criminal exposure. or if they have seen a tough investigation. their criminal defense lawyers give them very different advice from what their political advisers say. >> i'm going to wrap it up, peter, with you. there are all these questions about is it possible that the president himself could not have known about this. we know from katy tur's reporting that at the time, you were around it as well, the campaign was very chaotic. there did seem to be a lot of jockeying for position. what was going to happen, who was going to have donald trump's ear. some people are saying, do we really believe that if someone thought they were going to get the goods on hillary clinton that the boss, donald trump, now the president, didn't know about it? where was he that day? what was he doing? >> well, it is the time line that some people are focused on
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today, obviously. it was june 9th of 2016, the day this meeting took place. we went back and searched our records. donald trump, the president, then, i guess candidate trump, spent most of that day at trump tower. he briefly broke away to go to the four seasons midtown for a republican donor luncheon. but to give a better understanding of what else happened that day, it's also the day he tweeted about hillary clinton's missing 33,000 e-mails. he said, where are your 33,000 e-mails you deleted, he tweeted that same day. and to more broadly give a sense of paul manafort being there, and jared kushner being there, this is in the words of two former campaign staffers, a time when they describe the campaign as being both disorganized and naive even as the president had all but clinched the nomination. and there was in-fighting at the time between corey lewandowski and paul manafort over who was going to be running the operations. paul manafort brought on earlier. the kids pushing corey
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lewandowski out, paul manafort the new guy, appearing to gain strength. so it would have made sense that paul manafort would have said yes if invited to attend a meeting with the president's son. >> all of that happening, and thomas roberts now reporting that the person who was the intermediate area who set this up has some interesting details on that, as well. so we'll have more on that. peter alexander, david, michael crowley, paul butler, fantastic panel. thank you all very much. but here's the second big story we're talking about today. partnering with putin? president trump does a complete about-face. first he wants the u.s. and russia to form a joint cyber security unit. and now he says it won't happen! why was the idea even considered in the first place? and a seat at the table. president trump getting a lot of heat for letting his daughter, ivanka, step in for him at the g20 summit on friday. why he's now going after chelsea clinton to defend his decision. that's a little later in the
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president trump now backing off of the idea he first announced. working with russia to create a cyber security unit to guard against election hacking. on sunday morning, he tweeted, "putin and i discussed forming an impenetrable cyber security unit so election hacking and many other negative things will be guarded." the bipartisan reaction? incredulous. >> this is just like having
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maybe not fox's henhouse, it's the russian bear guarding the american honey. >> it's not the dumbest idea i've ever heard, but it's very close. >> i'm sure vladimir putin could be of enormous assistance in that effort since he is doing the hacking. >> so by sunday evening, 11 hours later, president trump was tweeting a different tune. the fact that president putin and i discussed a cyber security unit doesn't mean i think it can happen. it can't! but a cease-fire can and did, referring to syria. joining me now, former democratic senator from montana, max baucus, and msnbc's chief international security and diplomacy analyst. senator, if i can start with you. marco rubio was also incredulous, another republican, who in his case compared putin in charge of cyber security with partnering with assad on a chemical weapons unit. i wonder when you first heard about this idea from the president what you thought.
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>> my reaction was that of one of your earlier persons on the show. namely, it's one of the dumbest things i've ever heard. i think we're incredibly naive if we think we can trust putin in working with us on cyber security. must not forget, putin, he wants to be a huge, big player in the world. he wants to project his power. and i think he'll do most anything, including, it looks like, hacking in the u.s. >> so what do you think happened in that room, senator? what do you think happened in that room that the president decided to tweet that? >> i have no idea. i was not in the room. i don't know. i could only guess that it's another example of the president's somewhat fanciful ideas that he sometimes comes up with and tweets them with virtually no experience on the subject, and those who have more experience react the way they have. and so he realizes, whoops, i guess i was wrong, and changes his mind. he's very situational. he's not very strategic.
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and it's causing a problem, from my perspective. the deeper problem is starting to under mine our influence in the world. all of this contradiction, all of this back and forth. all of this potential russian involvement. and problems he's having with the congress. i really worry about our stature in the world, making us look weaker and weaker in comparison, compared to where we have been in previous years. >> knowing what you know about russia and vladimir putin, do you think he left that room thinking, well, checkmark, i got that one? or what do you think happened there? >> i think putin got a big win out of the meeting. and i think he felt that way. he got a big win, because he got not just a little 30-minute meeting. he got well over two hours with the president of the united states. he got to appear equal. we heard the president of the united states say he was honored to meet with vladimir putin. really? a political actor, who has killed his opponents, who is
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supporting a dictator, assad, who has hacked into our electoral system? i think it was a big win for putin. what i would say about cyber is that this is, in my view, the most significant security threat the united states faces. and not just from russia. also from china, where ambassador baucus knows quite well the capabilities of the chinese military, as well as iran and north korea. president trump was playing with fire on this one, and he got his fingers burned and came off of it pretty quickly. at least he took the words back. >> former ambassador to china, as the admiral just suggested, do you agree with him, and is the president not taking this seriously enough? >> i do agree with him. china has one goal, and that's to be as powerful as it can be in virtually -- without worrying about its consequences of the world. at all costs. and russia, i think, is the same. i believe, too, that our
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president, i hate to say this, but i think he's naive. most presidents think they can persuade heads of state that they are -- they are smarter than the previous presidents. and i think we're naive. we get played by putin. we get played by president xi, as we just have to be much more clear-headed, much more realistic than we have been. >> and then it puts his people, his staff, in this bizarre situation. because right after the criticism started, the treasury secretary, steve mnuchin, defended his boss. let's take a listen. >> i think this is a very important step forward. this is about having capabilities to make sure that we both fight cyber together, which i think is a very significant accomplishment for president trump. >> and then, i mean, admiral, the president changes his tune. i mean, essentially, throwing mnuchin and other defenders under the bus. it's one thing to disagree with your boss, everybody does, and in government people certainly know that. but how do you operate when you
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don't know if your boss means what he says? >> you can't operate effectively. and i -- the whole scene of secretary mnuchin reminds me of a general hr mcmaster coming out after the infamous meeting in the white house with secretary foreign minister lavrov and saying nothing inappropriate happened, the president didn't share classified information. a couple hours later, a tweet comes out and the president says, yeah, i rolled out the israeli connection on the intelligence we just got. it undercuts those actors who are trying so hard to keep the president where he needs to be. in terms of fighting cyber security, the idea is right. but the interlock tore is wrong. we a we have plenty of allies with whom we can fight fire of cyber together. but it's not russia and it's not china. >> and to those who say, as u.n.
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ambassador nikki haley did, this is about keeping your friends close and your enemies closer. admiral? >> that is incorrect as a philosophy in international relations. what you want to do is keep your friends close, your allies even closer. those with whom you have treaty commitments. and expand outward from there. certainly over time you should have conversations with your opponents. i thought the ambassador baucus in china was a good example of that. we can have conversations. but those we want closest to us are our treaty allies. then our partners. then our friends. on the outer ring is where we should find our potential opponents, recognizing we have to keep communication open to them. >> and senator, before i let you go, you were a key player in the passage of obamacare. so i want to ask you just quickly about that, because mitch mcconnell and the other republicans having obviously some trouble coming up with the votes. now talking about reaching across the aisle to get this done.
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as somebody who knows this plan intricately, and also i presume knows what doesn't work about it, and that there are acknowledged problems, what are sort of the mine fields you think democrats have to look at if they indeed do want to do what's best for the american people and fix what's wrong with this? >> well, first, i think that leading new republican idea, the cruz amendment, is an astoundingly atrocious idea. it's going to put america in two camps. those who are healthy and those who are unhealthy. and those who are unhealthy, the promise is going to be that they're going to have their medical bills paid for by the federal government. that's -- i don't think that's going to happen. so that's a very, very bad idea. again, it will not allow for preexisting conditions. and some of the essential medical services that are current in today's law. democrats have to just be very
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wary of any republican treaties. i don't -- we'll have to wait and see what the republicans come up with. but if, in fact, mitch mcconnell and paul ryan say, hey, we want to work with you, democrats, then i think we have to have an open process, open committees, open hearings, work this thing all out, try to find out where we can shore up some of the problems in the affordable care act. and really, the affordable care act works pretty well. the problems that exist in this single -- in the individual market, and that just needs a little more, frankly, compensation to help make that work. but certainly don't cut back on medicaid expansion or cut back on medicaid generally. that's just not good. >> former senator, ambassador, max baucus, admiral james de vetoous, thank you so much. whether a terminally ill infant should receive experimental treatment that could extend his life. the latest, live from london,
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. just moments ago, the u.s. military confirming to nbc that iraqi forces have retaken mosul, iraq's second-largest city. that announcement comes a day after iraq's prime minister
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arrived in the city to declare victory. this is a major offensive against isis, which held that city for more than three years. two more runners were trampled this morning during a running with the bulls ceremony in pamplona, spain. their injuries are considered minor. over the weekend, five people were gored during the run. four of them americans. one of those americans has now been injured twice. and get this, plans to run at least one more time before the nine-day festival is over. now to england, where this afternoon could prove critical for charlie gard. the infant is left with brain damage, and lacks the ability to breathe on his own. now a british court is looking at new evidence to decide whether to allow charlie to get experimental treatment that could prolong his life. both president trump and pope francis have voiced support for charlie gard's family after previous court rulings
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determined it was in the best interest to remove him from life support. nbc's ali arusy joins me with more. i would like to know more about the new evidence the court is looking at today. where is it from, what's it say? >> well, chris, he remains in critical condition, and in a london hospital. and this legal battle is ongoing. it was a very emotionally charged hearing today, where charlie's mother cried in court. his father shouted at opposing counsel. the high court in england is giving charlie gard's parents a chance to present fresh evidence that their son should receive experimental treatment. the judge gave the couple until wednesday afternoon to present evidence and set a new hearing for thursday. the hospital in london, the leading children's hospital in the uk, had intended to turn off the baby's life support systems. but they were the ones who applied for today's court hearing, because of new evidence
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relating to potential treatment for his condition. the evidence came from researchers at the vatican's children's hospital and another facility outside britain. now, the reason this case has gone back and forth in the courts is that charlie's doctors in the uk had said his condition was incurable and that his quality of life was poor. they said under these circumstances they didn't want to prolong his life and potential suffering. they went to court initially, because they couldn't come to an agreement with charlie's parents to turn off his life support machines. now the hospital is saying it's correct to explore the evidence for experimental treatments. so it's been going back and forth. meanwhile, charlie's parents face another agonizing interval until a decision is made as to whether their baby can go to america for treatment, if he can be treated here in london, because there was talk if they got fda approval, the experimental drugs could be brought to the hospital here in england and administered. or possibly face having to turn off their child's life support
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system. so an agonizing few days for the parents until we get an outcome on thursday. chris? >> to say the least. thank you for that update. right now senator tim kaine is hosting a round table with constituents talking health care. congress getting back to work after the july 4th recess. will republican leadership wrangle enough support to force a vote by the end of the month? and then ivanka versus chelsea. the first daughter under scrutiny for taking her father's seat at this g20 summit meeting. the president swiping back, taking a swipe at chelsea clinton. that's ahead
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. well, congress is back in session this afternoon, following their july 4th break. and senators are already getting pressured this morning by president trump to make headway on the unfinished business of health care. okay, here's the tweet. i cannot imagine that congress would dare to leave washington without a beautiful new health care bill fully approved and ready to go. but just this morning, republican senator pat toomey suggested that a new bill could be on the table any moment now. >> there are people who aren't quite there yet, but we've got a new version coming out today or tomorrow. >> okay. >> and that is meant to bring on board people who still have their reservations. >> garrett hick is in springfield, virginia, where senator tim kaine is hosting a round table right now. i've got to tell you, i've talked to a lot of republican and democratic senators. they all agree that these
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meetings, health care is dominant. now, this was intended to be about health care. what are you hearing from people, though? >> reporter: yeah, chris, the entire focus of this meeting here was health care. and what we're hearing is why tim kaine could never in a million years vote for this bill. he's coming out here and talking to some moms mostly and their children who have just heartbreaking stories about their experience on medicaid or taking advantage of some of the provisions in the affordable care act and why it has been so important to them and their families. some of these moms are crying. senator kaine was tearing up just hearing about this. i spoke to one of the moms before this event started about her experience with her son who benefited greatly from provisions in the affordable care act capping coverage for how long you can be on care, and also the importance of medicaid and essentially saving her son's life. take a listen. >> when he was 15 months old, he hit his lifetime maximum for his insurance policy, and that was $2 million. and he lost his insurance
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overnight. >> at 15 months old. >> at 15 months old. and medicaid picked up the difference for us until i got him back on my insurance at work. but they pay for the things the insurance doesn't pay for. >> reporter: and, chris, i think it's easy to be cynical about events like these. but for the argument that these families are making and that senator kaine is making, that for anyone who wants to say, oh, this is isn't xs and os, those people should have to come meet and talk to these families before they go out and say there won't be cuts, there won't be reductions. because frankly, chris, a lot of these moms are terrified about what might be coming down the pipe for them. >> yeah, i've talked to a lot of people in the same boat. garrett hick, thank you for that. father knows best? president trump defending his daughter ivanka for attacks sitting in at the g20 by slamming another first daughter. why he's chastising chelsea clinton in defense of ivanka. stay with us.
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sit in for him during part of the g20. here's what donald trump tweeted this morning. when i left the conference room for short meetings with japan and other countries, i asked ivanka to hold the seat. very standard. meetings with japan and other countries, i asked ivanka to hold seat. if chelsea clinton were asked to hold the seat for her mother, the fake news would say chelsea for pres. he returned fire. good morning, mr. president, it would never have occurred to my mother or our father to ask me. were you giving our country away? hoping not. joining me now is liz smith. larry o connell, why would you get into a twitter war with chelsea clinton. >> can you imagine her waking up in her multimillion condo and checking -- what is going on right now? donald trump never loses when he points out the double standards in the media, and liberal
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critics. and there was plenty of them. it was a benign moment when his daughter sat in his seat when they were discussing the world back women's entrepreneurship initiative. >> he did play to his base, how normal is it for someone for ivanka trump's stature to sit in on a meeting like that. i only say that because she does not have a vast portfolio in international affairs. >> it's not normal. in this situation, you really should have secretary of state rex tillerson set in. it sends a message of who is in
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power. none of whom are qualified to sit in the seats of power, or is it people like rex tillerson. give me a break, if chelsea clinton did it, the clintons would get the same amount of criticism. any time chelsea clinton pops her head out to make a statement, journalists jump all over her. ivanka trump is impressive in her own right, she sold a lot of shoes and dresses, and purses but she doesn't have that experience. >> if i said she was great she sold a lot of shoes, i would be called sexist. >> come to the trump international hotel, she spearheaded the whole project and it is brilliant. if i may, when you say she is
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not qualified to sit in this role, most of the brilliant people in this town and on cable news that commented on this campaign for the last two years think the president himself is not qualified to sit in that chair. >> he was elected so sit there. >> yes, and she is a special advisor to the president and chancellor merkel said it is standard procedure. >> given the concerns that she and jared kushner it looks like will have to go before the senate intelligence compemitteeo answer questions about russian meetings, why not just try to avoid these optics. say to the world, here is my secretary of state, he is a person of extreme stature who i count on, defend on, believe in, to sit in my chair.
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>> i don't think secretary t tillerson is wanting for stature. she is an official advisor to the president, and they will be held accountable if they fall into the oversight of the united states congress. but this was specifically about the entrepreneurship initiative that she is part of with the world bank. i will differ with one thing and that is in terms of chelsea clinton sitting in, on behalf of her mother, we know that never would have happened. she would have been hosting fundraisers for all of the world leaders, shaking them down for donations to the clinton foundation. on that part i think he was wrong. it never would have happened. >> let's move on from that, i want a quick opportunity to talk to both of you about health care. liz, it looks like mitch mcconnell is not having a good time with it to say the least. and the president puts more pressure on and says,
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essentially, don't you dare not get this done, is it going to get done? >> well, it looks pretty tough right now and they're having a lot of trouble wrangling senators. you have conservative folks that don't want any entitlement program at all, and you have folks that don't want to kick people off of medicaid. for all of the talk, some great negotiators, master legislatures, we have really seen the limitations of that here. i would not be surprised if they have to take a different tack and maybe do the right thing. go to the table with democrats and figure out ways to fix obama care as they have been saying we need to do for years now. >> is it a good move for the president so tweet don't you dare not get this done at a time when i don't think anyone on the republican side is lacking for understanding about what needs to get done here and how
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difficult it is? >> he is putting pressure on the republicans leadership, i think that is a smart idea. from the republican voters who gave mitch mcconnell the majority of the senate, and gave paul ryan the speaker's chair, the right thing is to repeal obama care they're going to face major problems with their own voters. >> larry o'connor, good to see you, liz smith, good to see you. we're moments away from the first white house press briefing since the president's overseas trip. it's off camera, we'll have all of the news in the next hour.
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a wraps up this hour of nbc live. >> it is 11:00 out west, 2:00 p.m. here in the east. right now deputy white house press secretary sarah huckabee sander wills be giving a press briefing, no cameras allowed. and she will be asked about the fact that jared kushner met with a russian lawyer. there will also be big

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